RODNEY FARAON: Yeah, I miss it a lot. You guys need an analyst to help you come up with something to sell." It turns out that artificial intelligence, its applications and use, far advanced in the national security intelligence community than it is in the private sector. First published on September 2, 2020 / 6:01 AM. MICHAEL MORELL: So a that's not the conventional wisdom, right. RODNEY FARAON: That's right. And I told him, and he heard it. And what was interesting about this is you never know where where things lead. And some of the leadership that I was witnessing – they're great people, smart people. MICHAEL MORELL: So you're being, Rodney, you're being a little bit modest here. MICHAEL MORELL: So, Rodney, what does a business intelligence firm do? MICHAEL MORELL: And then you sort of already answered this, but, do you miss CIA? Richmond, VA. Tom Young. So if they turn this into a project, they're going to own you and they're going to be able to tell your story the way that they want to tell it, not necessarily the way that you want to tell it.' Henry "Hank" A. Crumpton, (born 1957) was a Central Intelligence Agency operations officer for 24 years, rising to deputy director of the Counterterrorism Center and then heading the CIA's National Resources Division, which focuses on operations in the United States. So, as you know, Rodney, this this episode is is about life after being a CIA analyst. And I wanted more than that. RODNEY FARAON: You know, it's fun to explain this because business intelligence means different things to all sorts of different people. Let me just ask you a couple of more questions. MICHAEL MORELL: Because it's important, because of your interest, or both? And so they were constantly coming up with ideas and testing new things and even creating technologies. According to the most recent United States intelligence community report on international meddling in American elections, Russia is "using a range of measures" to interfere in the 2020 elections. M+CG is a global strategic advisory company based in Washington, DC. It was that. Our intelligence-driven strategies help business leaders make better, faster, more effective decisions, especially in complex international markets.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\. And you're looking the other way. Putin is about to turn his attention to the American way of life. I'm really happy we could get reacquainted, even though it's this way. It's going to be China in the future.'. MICHAEL MORELL: So, Rodney, you were doing fantastic at the agency. And when it's national security, when it's possibly life and death, things evolve a lot faster than they do when the impetus is market share or revenue, Right. Certainly, I miss the people that I worked with, but I was able to develop a lot of the same sort of happy feelings wherever I've been, not because of me, but because I was able to choose places where all the people were looking in the same direction and that we could focus on what that mission is. It's different at Disney.

But I've never lost my love for intelligence nor my my love for this country. And hopefully if they'll have me back someday, someday, maybe even come back. As you are aware, Texas A&M AgriLife is working with MGT Consulting Group and Martin + Crumpton Group to embark on the development of a strategic plan and a review of the Digital Education professional service unit. When I was at Disney, I tried on the side to meet as many screenwriters and producers as I possibly could because I someday wanted to scratch that creativity itch and perhaps join those ranks. And we'll get to that. MICHAEL MORELL: Rodney, thank you so much for joining us. But a lot of the advice I was getting we were getting was, 'Just hunker down, keep your head down and keep doing what you're doing.' MICHAEL MORELL: And how much did you use the the skills that you learned at the agency? RODNEY FARAON: There was a general template. RODNEY FARAON: Well, it was good that I was a PDB briefer at the time because I had a good overview of the priorities that CIA and the president had for foreign policy and a good feel for the overall risks.

This ended up being not only really interesting from a technical point of view, but also because of the manner of the work, I got to meet and develop relationships with analysts from other parts of the building who were basically assessing China's customers, whether they were Syria and Iran or Pakistan. And not only is it easier to do things with friends, but it's also a lot more fun.

And in fact, what's interesting, in the course of –and we've only been doing this for less than a year, but I found that the sexy new industry is artificial intelligence, right. Powered by GoDaddy Website BuilderWebsite Builder And this was just – one thing that Hank Crumpton taught me about being an operations officer or an executive was, you really got to have allies.

They seek advice because they ask me, 'What does the inside of a CIA vault, an office, look like?' RODNEY FARAON: Well it's more private equity than investment banking. Be in the know. I think too often it's easy to look at the body of information about a certain subject and say, 'On the one hand, it could be this.

MICHAEL MORELL: Yes, I think you can. It was just fascinating – the education I got from sitting down with someone who had been working on China for 25 years and just talking about his view of the country and how far it's developed and how it's changing. Guess what? RODNEY FARAON: Well, I spent three years at Disney and then I left because Ambassador Hank Crumpton, who is a CIA legend and operations officer, who was a counterterrorism expert and who planned and helped lead and win the war in Afghanistan, he retired. You had an extraordinarily bright career ahead of you. MICHAEL MORELL:And what did you do in the job? M+CG is a global strategic advisory company based in Washington, DC. I think too often at at CIA, we're looking for a certain set of skills, but we don't actually come out and and test for creativity. It's been great to have you on the show. M+CG is a global strategic advisory company based in Washington, DC. It was a lot of different people doing their best to come out with what they thought was the best product possible. So we we decided to take a chance. We understand there will be gaps and missing information and you won't be right all the time, but you owe it to us to give us your expert opinion on how things are. In addition, strategic planning moves the entity from reactionary modes to proactive modes by connecting goals, strategies, performance measures, and action plans to an overall resource allocation process. international affairs. RODNEY FARAON: Well, I learned about how the industry worked and really how many people are involved in the creation of a show.

And trying to trying to understand what the analysts are trying to say and being able to take that and make that simple for a smart generalist to understand is a real skill set that you had.

Yes, that's exactly right. But also, can we highlight things over the horizon that people aren't seeing that could lead to good things? MICHAEL MORELL: So tell us what it was like to make State of Affairs, which was, I think, an NBC program, correct? MICHAEL MORELL: And you said this was educational. And I asked for personnel and essentially talked my way into getting an application for a job there. It just felt bigger than just another company. What my mentor said was, 'Well, it's either going to be the military or it's going to be this thing called industrial technology. MICHAEL MORELL: It's the reverse of In-Q-Tel, right? RODNEY FARAON: I'm not sure I'm able to --. I was actually introduced by a close mutual friend, Richard Blee, who was living in Los Angeles at the time. So in the course of our work with our company, we met a lot of folks who are clients or who also are just friends of the firm who were involved in equity investment or investment banking. MICHAEL MORELL: Yeah. MICHAEL MORELL: So finally, Rodney, you get involved in investment banking. No, I didn't. They had studied there, they knew the language, they had devoted their life right to understanding China. RODNEY FARAON: That's exactly right. So how how does that process work? And to the extent I could ever give back and make things better, you know, I would still love to do that someday.

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One of the things that I tried to do when I was his briefer was not only present him with the substance of what CIA was saying to the president that day, but also giving a feel for what I was hearing, what we call 'around the building' about things. international affairs. You never forgot that. Martin has 3 jobs listed on their profile. And that's what I learned. View Company Page. View Company Page. In this episode of Intelligence Matters, host Michael Morell interviews Rodney Faraon, a former China analyst and 15-year veteran of the CIA, about how he transferred skills he developed at the agency to a variety of roles outside of government. MARTIN + CRUMPTON GROUP. And that's what I tried to do at the company. That's what business intelligence is. McMaster weighs in on North Korea, Russia, Former FBI special agent on election threat posed by Russia, China, Iran, Former top CIA analyst on al Qaeda, Iraq and 9/11, "Blood and Oil" coauthors on bin Salman and the future of Saudi Arabia.

And what they told me was that when Hank and Rich decided to start Crumpton Group, they went up to – this is where it all comes full circle, Michael. So I looked up the number in the phone book in the blue pages, and I got the agency. And I never forgot that, especially when I went to my social studies class in sixth grade, said that to my friends, and they just laughed me out the door. The hope here was that it was going to be like the British system, where, if you go to Cambridge or Oxford, some senior professor or don would tap you on the shoulder having noticed you, and then say that there's a job opportunity that they'd like to talk to you about. Use Apollo to easily get in touch with anyone in the world. And it was fun to to try to recreate that. One of them was being the daily intelligence briefer for the second-longest serving director of Central Intelligence ever, George Tenet. So I would solicit all of these things and then try to compile it into one document.

Henry "Hank" A. Crumpton, (born 1957) was a Central Intelligence Agency operations officer for 24 years, rising to deputy director of the Counterterrorism Center and then heading the CIA's National Resources Division, which focuses on operations in the United States. M+CG is a global strategic advisory company based in Washington, DC. I wanted a direction. How did that come about? RODNEY FARAON: It was critical. So I first decided that I wanted to join CIA when I was in high school. RODNEY FARAON: It's a lot of work. Which is true. But it also is the code name for a special communication, a cable from the field where the Chiefs of Station in a given country provide their personal assessment of what's happening. I'm a high school sophomore, junior, and the best-selling books at the time were the Tom Clancy novels.

He was a pretty special guy. RODNEY FARAON: No, I came in as a rising senior in college, as an undergraduate intern, and what I had done though, was when I was at college, I tried to fill my curriculum up with China-related work: Chinese language, history, politics.